My McDougall Diet Failure

by Lani on February 15, 2012

Dr. John McDougall and Lani Muelrath

What? The Plant-Based Fitness Expert for the McDougall Health and Medical Center is putting the words ‘failure’ and ‘McDougall Diet’ in the same sentence?

Settle down.  And now that I’ve got your attention, let me explain. Because what I’m about to tell you may well change your life.

I now weigh 50 lbs less  than I did 13 years ago at my top weight of 189.5.  Yes, I know – “.5″.  It’s been a journey perhaps not unlike your own.  My story has a few interesting twists and I tell it in full transparency to offer hope.

Flashback

Note:  I could have just talked about the food and diet here and it would be of deep value, and perhaps all the information you need.  Yet it wouldn’t be true to the full story of my success.  So I color in the big picture for you if you, like me, have the experience that there is more than simply “Here’s the food problem:  Here’s the food solution”.  I hope that this is helpful to you.

The trail of my long and colorful diet history is littered with dog-eared diet books, stacks of journals, plenty of excess poundage and as those of us with a ‘weight’ problem well know, lots of white-knuckle hunger, tears, and hair-tearing.

I’ve been eating vegetarian for 38 years.  Despite multiple attempts and a variety of vegetarian eating schemes for weight loss that gave me intermittent short – term success and frequent long-term failure,  I kept trying.  I dare you to top my listing of attempts.  Important to the story, but beside the point.

Through all those years of hit and miss, there prevailed within me 2 underlying convictions:

#1)  My hunger signals couldn’t be wrong or faulty.

I figured that something is wrong with the system – not my body – if I needed to count, weigh or measure everything.

Something’s wrong with the system if I have to addle my brain with counting 1.73 grams of protein to 2.426 grams of carbohydrate, or any other living-your-life-as-a-lab system.  Wrong with the system – not my body.

#2)  There must be a way to eat that would allow me to use hunger and fullness signals as my guide. 

I’d see the squirrels and deer grazing in the woods outside our door and they weren’t counting or measuring anything.  And they weren’t fat, either.  And it’s not because they didn’t have enough to eat.  Obesity is unknown in the wild.  What had they figured out, without thinking, that I hadn’t?  Sure, I knew about calories and most of my diet incarnations had some sort of calorie counting component.  I could manage my weight with portions and counting.  For awhile.  But it was hard and I was hungry.

Major turn of events

Finally, my frustrating search brought me to an eating coach who helped me make a big leap forward in my quest.  By this point in time, years of frustration had me wanting, more than anything, a healthy, happy relationship with food, eating and my body.  What appealed to me about this coach’s work – she was also an RN and obesity specialist – was that the central theme to her approach dovetailed with my convictions about hunger, fullness, and appetite guides.  All we had to do was tune in, listen to our fuel signals, and eat quality food until we had enough, she said.  You can see why this appealed to me.

I threw all my eggs into this basket. The only rules were be sure to eat every time you get hungry and eat until full on quality, real food. It made sense, it satisfied hunger, and it broke me from the enervating cycle of dieting.

Eating this way was both a relief and very anxiety producing.  Letting go of all of the ‘controls’ around food was a scary ride.  Plus, at first, I gained weight.  A LOT of weight.  40 lbs. This was not without its challenges since as a college professor, fitness trainer and physical educator I was in front of people teaching exercise classes and lecturing all the time.  Once an aerobics student even asked if I was pregnant.  Yikes. What kept me going?  Intuitively I knew I was on the right track.  Refer to “underlying convictions”  #1 and #2 above.

Redefining ‘quality’ food

Yet knowing what I know now, all of that gain was not necessary.  I know because I have coached thousands of others in eating according to appetite to steadily lose weight and become leaner with the same principles (and underlying convictions #1 and #2 above)  as I implemented.

Now, I have a different view of what ‘quality’ food is.  At the time, though a vegetarian and processed foods were not considered ‘quality’ according to the approach, dairy products, eggs and smaller amounts of oils were.  Moderate fat intake at about 20% of daily calories was advised.  Still, I gained that weight.  I was eating according to hunger and fullness signals, true to my ideal.  My coach said that even though I would gain initially, that eventually my weight would plateau and then slowly start to drop.  This actually did happen to some extent.

Before going on, I do want to underscore that I am deeply grateful to this coach because she taught me a lot about listening to my body and that my body was not the enemy.  That something is wrong with the food and the eating, not your body.  The fact that my body stored fat more readily than someone else’s was not a design flaw, it was a genetic survival plus.  I ‘got a good one’ she’d say.  And the experience with this coach, though somewhat off the mark in these early stages, eventually resulted in my realizing that ideal that I was seeking in being well fed, slim and healthy and  with a healthy, happy relationship with food, eating, and my body.

Eventually, though,  I still found I was heavier than I wanted to be and began to implement some controls that would assist with weight loss.  I tweaked down the calories with portions and was careful not to cut too dramatically because I knew too well the consequences associated with doing so – that I would become hungry, which would hook my survival instinct, and restart the terrible ordeal of hunger management. I was thus able to nudge my weight down a little bit more, yet without the serious dietary implementations or rebound hunger of the years when I was really cutting my dieting teeth.  Still, I had faith that I would eventually find the solution that met my highest ideal of not having to ‘count’.

Critical to success:  Assembling mindset tools

It was also during this time and through this process that I developed and deeply utilized the tools for that you now find in Woman’s Fitness Blueprint:  An Action Plan for Success and Boot Camp Mind:  My Top 10 Motivational Tools for Health, Weight Loss, and Fitness Success.   When one goes through the tremendous transformation such as I am sharing with you, it is not without just as much attention to mindset and mastery of psychology as to food plan and exercise.  Without the inner shifts the other 2 legs of what I call the 3 Pillars of Transformation – mindset, diet, and exercise – are temporary and at best superficial.  You have to keep in mind what you are looking for.   Yes, a slim and energetic, healthy body, yet also productivity, fulfillment, and happiness.

Our fitness and energy are a part of the bigger picture of our lives. Our bodies are the tools through which we experience our lives in fulfilling our passion of purpose, contribution, livelihood, avocations, and just plain joy of existence. We can all easily create a list of activities, contributions, and obligations, for which we are best equipped to fulfill when fit, healthy and energetic.  Don’t discount the value of this, or excuse it away.  ~ from Lani Muelrath’s Woman’s Fitness Blueprint, Module One

So where does the McDougall Plan part fit in?

Prior to this change of events those 13 years ago, I had purchased a copy of the McDougall Plan.  This was at about the same time that it came out in 1983.  It had appealed to my ‘eat when hungry until you’re not’ vision and I eagerly jumped in.

I lasted a few days, got hungry, and abandoned it.  I tried the McDougall approach again a few years later, drawn by the sense and promise of it – eat according to appetite and be your natural thin weight – and ‘lasted’ only a few days once more.

[To fit this into the timeline, it was following these initial forays into the McDougall waters that I had the life-changing experience with my food and eating coach.]

What finally made it all come together for me was actually meeting and spending a day with Dr. McDougall.

Turning point:  My day with Dr. John McDougall

I had been invited to attend an all-day physician’s seminar where Dr. McDougall took the stage for hours on end, presenting documentation, graphs, slides, images – you name it – in front of a roomful of cardiologists.  Dr. McDougall’s patience, clarity, and ability to make everything seem so common sense had a disarming affect on the cardiologist crowd.  And it drove home to me points I’d heard before.  Yet I realized I hadn’t quite gotten the full message until that day.

I left that seminar with a deeper understanding of how oils and dairy were no doubt in the way of my progress.  Yet the biggest moments of enlightenment had to do with the importance of starches.

I realized that as much as I was intellectually convinced about the wisdom of the McDougall Plan and what a good match it was for my ideals, the reason I failed initially is because I was holding back on the potatoes, yams, and brown rice in a way that was sabotaging my success.  Though I professed to have given up carbophobia long before, there was still some residual influence that was hampering my progress.

I was doing great with the vegetables.  Mountains of them.  Belly full.  But the persistent hunger that drove me to abandon the McDougall diet in my earlier attempts occurred because I wasn’t respecting enough the dietary bulk factor that would be necessary to realize my goal.   Bulk is a huge part of satiety, and is  a function of weight and fiber in the gut.  It’s one of the big reasons that most diets fail.

In my previous McDougall diet incarnations, I did fine on the fiber with all the high water content vegetables. But that wasn’t giving my stretch and fullness receptors the right message to switch off the ‘hunger’ signal and switch on the ‘full’ switch.  That takes a higher amount of calorie density teamed with bulk. That’s what the potatoes, brown rice, etc do.  They affect the amount of calorie density teamed with bulk and fiber.  Potatoes just happen to be the perfect combination of fiber, water, and calorie density to bring you into the ‘just right’ satiety zone. Starchy vegetables.  Intact whole grains do it too.  Paired up with the high water content vegetables and fruits, you have the recipe for weight-loss-without-hunger success.

My McDougall diet success: Freely eating creates eating freedom

With my very next meal after leaving that physician’s seminar, I piled on the brown rice and potatoes with my vegetables, and eliminated oils and dairy.  The fanciest I got with portions was to fill half my dinner plate with rice or potatoes and the other half with steamed vegetables using the eyeball method. This allowed me to eat according to appetite.

My rules of eating, as had been my ideal, now allowed me to stay slim:  Eat when hungry, ’til you’re not.   I call it just being a good animal.

Every day, I am thrilled to walk into my kitchen with the happy knowledge that I have mountains of beautiful, delicious foods to choose from, and  which I can eat to my heart’s content until I am full.   I know now from years of experience now that this will keep me trim.

The confident joy of staying slim while eating this way never diminishes.  I never get tired of being able to buy cartfuls of whole foods wherever we happen to be in the world on adventure and cook in the same way with the same result.

I never get tired of the fact that when you get the food right, the fitness is so much simpler, and I can easily keep my shape with the simple tools of Fit Quickies, hiking and walking, and other elements of play that are all part of being a good animal.

It is a wonderful way to live.

People ask me how they should eat to lose weight so I tell them exactly how I eat.

Usually they ask me more than once, because I don’t think they quite believe me.  I look at it this way.  By day’s end, if I were to take all of the food I ate that day and put it on a big tray, half of it would be piled with starchy veggies and whole grains and the other half with high water-content vegetables.  There would be about a cup of beans and a couple of pieces of fruit on top.  A sprinkling of seeds.  Over the course of weeks, there would be some festive feast meals thrown in. It’s a good summation of my food each day, give or take.  A no-brainer  forks over knives.  It’s not a religion, it’s a guiding set of simple principles.

Breakfast is usually whole grains and fruits.  Lunch is a big bowl of soup with starchy vegetables, legumes, and dark greens or a salad, or both, often with a sandwich on wholegrain bread.  Dinner is a mountain of rice or potatoes or pasta with another big pile of steamed veggies and or salad.  I call it my big plate trick for staying trim.   Somewhere along the course of the day I’ll have another fruit or two.  If some days I’m hungrier, I  don’t think twice about eating an extra big bowl of rice, second serving of potatoes, or grabbing a couple of chunks good grainy bread.  That’s not what makes us fat  But until we really get it about being well fed on those foods with the ability to ring our happy satiety bells, we’ll struggle with our hunger and quite likely our weight.

It’s that simple.

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Lani Muelrath, M.A., is “The Plant-Based Fitness Expert” of www.lanimuelrath.com and creator of Fit Quickies™, The Body Transformation Formula, Woman’s Fitness Blueprint, and Boot Camp Mind:  Top 10 Motivational Tools for Health, Weight Loss, & Fitness Success. She has a Master’s Degree in Physical Education and over 30 years of experience as a teacher, coach, and trainer. She is Guest Lecturer at San Francisco State University in Kinesiology and Associate Professor in Kinesiology at Butte College. Lani has received awards for her instruction, created and starred in her own CBS TV Show, and her expertise in the area of
health and fitness is called upon by examiner.com, Dr. John McDougall’s Health and Medical Center, Dr. Neal Barnard’s 21-Day Vegan Kickstart program, the CHIP Program, and Engine 2 Diet.com. She is Certified in Plant-Based Nutrition Certification through Cornell University.

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Dina O'. February 15, 2012 at 8:02 am

THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!
We became plant-based eaters last June after seeing Dr. Fuhrman on PBS, then reading Eat to Live, The China Study, Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease, Engine 2 Diet…and the list goes on. I still believed I needed to portion control my starchy foods and was afraid to add brown rice, baked potatoes, etc because I didn’t want to add those less nutrient dense foods to meals even though I felt like I needed to eat more food. I will now add those into my diet and not feel guilty about putting potatoes in my soups or adding rice to veggie dishes.
Ah, feeling liberated – thanks again Lani!!

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Lani February 15, 2012 at 8:36 am

Dina, thank you SO so much for sharing your thoughts. I tell you, I struggled with all of it, even subconsciously, as I reveal in my article. And comments and feedback like yours are exactly why I put this article together and spilled all the beans. Stay connected and come by whenever you need a boost of confidence, OK?

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Nancy Miller February 15, 2012 at 8:13 am

Lani, You know I have read and heard your story several times, but thanks for sharing in such detail in this blog. You give such a clear picture of your various attempts and your determination to allow your body to “work”. Thanks for your support these couple of years and for always sharing of yourself. Couldn’t do this without you. Hugs!

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Lani February 15, 2012 at 8:38 am

Nancy, so great to see you stop in and thanks. And yes, you’ve heard details yet from my experience, hearing the stories of those who have gone before me is never tiresome and always inspires – and so glad this does the same for you. You are doing wonderfully!

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Grayce February 15, 2012 at 11:24 am

Lani, again, may I say a HUGE THANK YOU~~ You surely have helped me NOT feel guilty about having a warm, steaming bowl of brown rice with veggies plopped on the top and some Braggs aminos, and calling it a meal. You truly are such an inspiration to me!! <3 thank you, from the bottom of my heart!

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Lani February 15, 2012 at 2:18 pm

Grayce, so exclted to see how well things continue to go for you. Simple rocks! Thanks for sharing your wins – always!

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Nicki February 15, 2012 at 11:39 am

Hi Lani,
Thanks for sharing your story in such great detail. I’ve been eating plant based for about 7 weeks now. I’ve been eating more fruits than grains ( more in the Fuhrman mindset). As much as the Mcdougall plan appeals to me, when I tried it for a few days, I found myself either gaining or not losing weight. Did you find yourself losing weight immediately, or did your body need some adjustment time? I lost about 10lbs the first month, but have been holding steady since. I can easily stand to lose another 20lbs.
I exercise five days a week. Usually about a half hour of intense cardio with some type of mat work (i.e. pushups) at the end. I would really appreciate any advice you might have. I have completely given up all animal products and oil. My only “cheat” is some occasional dried unsweetened fruit. Thanks so much.

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Lani February 15, 2012 at 2:23 pm

Nicki, I’ve got the perfect read for you:

6 reasons you might have gained weight on a plant-based diet when your goal is to lose weight:

http://www.lanimuelrath.com/weight-loss/6-reasons-you-might-have-gained-weight-on-a-plant-based-diet-when-your-goal-is-to-lose-weight/

This explains how the UP in fiber can actually show up initially as a gain on the scale. That’s one of the things that scared me off initially but this time I had faith and persisted. Read the article and let me know if you have questions. Dried fruit slows me down, I’m better off not having it in the house except on occasion. I can eat 5 dates after every meal and won’t gain as if they were cookies, yet when trying to lose, if you’re stuck, it may well be an influencing factor.

Keep me posted. And thank you so much for YOUR post!

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Nicki February 15, 2012 at 3:40 pm

I am going to read this right now! Thank you do much for responding! I can’t tell you how encouraging it is to me. I’m making this life change by myself, and while my family is very supportive, it’s a little scary on my own. Having someone with your experience in my corner is amazing! I will keep you posted-thanks again!

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Lani February 15, 2012 at 5:43 pm

Happy to help. Stay connected for support. It’s huge for success. Reach out, grab all the tools of motivation you can.

Here,
Lani

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Shelby February 15, 2012 at 11:53 am

A friend recently challenged a bunch of us to do Dr. Furhman’s 6-week Challenge, which is what introduced me to plant-based eating. I did fine for the first couple of weeks, was enjoying the veggies & the increase in energy they gave me. But I kept having that hunger feeling. I was eating serving bowl sized salads with all kinds of veggies & beans but still experiencing what felt like hunger. I chalked it up to ‘toxic hunger’ as Dr. F. describes in his book. I found myself longing for meals that would allow brown rice or whole-grain pasta, but avoided them with the same reasoning that you and Dina describe. Needless to say, at about 3 1/2 weeks I was getting grouchy with my family and just didn’t feel like what I was doing was quite right for me. I abandoned ship. So glad I liked your FB page and saw this post! It sounds like something that would work better for me (& my family). Thanks so much for sharing your personal experiences!

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Lani February 15, 2012 at 2:29 pm

Shelby, I know some people who swear by Eat To Live. My experience, however, was as yours – and if you look at my article, you will see it referred to.

We do live in a toxic food environment and it takes commitment and education to see beyond the lure of edibles that inspire our appetites. Yet I find the number one defense against eating junk food and pigging out on edible fluff is being well fed. It makes a big, changeable dent in ‘emotional’ eating, too. Emotional eating can be a simple co-incidence of mounting stress with stored hunger. Eating as I have described to you in the article, along with mindset principles (part of which are being sure to eat enough on time- which is also a mindset tool, by the way) made the difference.

Keep me posted on your journey. You’ll find the balance best for you.

Lani

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Marie February 15, 2012 at 2:43 pm

What a lovely post. I wish I could say I’ve had a similar experience, but unfortunately, after two months of McDougalling, I haven’t lost anything except my optimism. When I read things like this, I just feel so alone. Anyway, I’m genuinely glad it works for you and so many others.

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Lani February 15, 2012 at 5:45 pm

Marie,

A simple food diary may reveal the problem and quite often it is a simple fix. It depends on a lot of things: how much you have to lose, how accurate you really are about “McDougalling”, etc.

Track everything you eat for a week. See what it reveals. Get back to me if you’d like my assist.

You are not alone.

Lani

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anna February 15, 2012 at 5:45 pm

hi to you all from Australia, i to had the same mindset about carb foods although being a vegan i found them so hard to avoid, i was always hungry just eating veggies and fruit, i love brown rice and quinoa and i did read Mcdougalls plan but was way scared to try it, but now after reading your blogs i will give it another go. My favourite food are beans and lentils and oats and every time i added them into my diet the scales told me to next day, but now might just keep trying it again and see what happens, thanks so much .

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Lani February 15, 2012 at 7:53 pm

Anna, I’m so glad you are encouraged! How did we meet? Please don’t hesitate to reach out as you progress – no need to go it alone! Did you read the article that I linked to Nicki’s post? It will help big time!

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Rhonda February 16, 2012 at 9:34 am

Hi Lani,

I agree with your recommendations, but work with many diabetics. What is the answer to maintaining appropriate blood sugar levels while including the starches?

Rhonda

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Lani February 16, 2012 at 9:45 am

Rhonda, I would recommend getting a copy of Dr. Neal Barnard’s Reversing Diabetes. In that book he describes and details how – in research conducted with the NIH – they discovered that the problem was fat (gumming up insulin transport) and of course processed foods are stricly advised against. More resources via McDougall here as well: http://www.drmcdougall.com/med_hot_diabetes.html

This should get many questions clarified. Are you a physician?

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Veronica February 16, 2012 at 9:49 am

I’m a fan of McDougall and your site as well. however I cannot eat as much as I want (even if it is good carbs and plant strong) and lose weight. I’m sure this advice works for normal height people who can eat 1500-1600 calories/day, but I am only 4’10″ and weigh 115 lbs. This may not seem overweight but for my height it is, according to height/weight charts I should weigh 90 – 95 lbs. The only way I can do that is through a very strict “starvation” type diet of 1000 -1200 calories and tons of excercise. I know because I have managed to get down to 105 lbs by doing this and it’s just not something I can maintain long term. I understand the calorie density thing and I do eat a big salad every day, but salad and veggies don’t really make me satiated. I need to eat a certain amount of grains and carbs daily or I feel very deprived. But the problem is, if I eat till I’m full I don’t lose any more weight. I would like your input on the special challenges of “short people” who can’t eat the same way you tall people can!!! I carry my weight around the hips and thighs. no matter how much I diet or excercise I cannot seem to fix this, I can lose weight but I only become a smaller “pear”!

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Tandi February 16, 2012 at 10:29 am

I am 4 ‘ 10″ tall and I COMPLETELY understand where you are coming from. I should weigh around 91 pounds optimally and I was able to get down to 97 pounds but I had to eat 800-900 calories per day and exercise 30-60 minutes six days a week to do it. I am currently 104 pounds and have a high body fat percentage because I got so sick of having 3 bites of breakfast, 10 bites of salad at lunch and a tiny little dinner. In fact, when I was at a healthy normal weight for my height I would eat my soup in a tiny little ramikin because that was all I could eat or I would gain about .4 pounds every day or two. Being very short is HARD because you cannot eat like everyone else.

I will say that when I have been successful at losing weight I was having oatmeal or yams with fruit for breakfast, salad, pita sandwich or yam for lunch and a vegetable/grain dinner. The trick is that you can only eat until you are SATISFIED, not full!! If you eat until you feel full you will gain weight, I do every time. There is a big difference between satisfied and full for those of us who are very small and that difference can be huge when trying to lose weight. You don’t have to go hungry but you do need to eat VERY Slowly, that helps you feel more emotionally satisfied by the smaller amount of food, and you need to pay close attention to when you are satisfied but not full. I do know that the only way I feel satisfied is to have a whole grain/starch with every meal.

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Lani February 16, 2012 at 2:14 pm

Hi Tandi! Just saw your second post here – in my reply to that one, I mentioned ‘full’ and ‘enough’ can be a semantics issue. To me ‘full’ means ‘enough’, and is not the same as ‘all you can eat’. So you are right about that.

Check to find my other reply, don’t want you to miss it!

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Lani February 16, 2012 at 1:31 pm

Hey Veronica, sounds like a frustrating experience. And eating ‘as much as you want’ is not the same is ‘when hungry until satisfied’.

Have you had your body composition checked? This will give you more information than a BMI or weight chart.

There are lots of ways to tweak your eats for more on less. For example, prefacing each meal with soup and salad and of course be certain to include enough calories from starches. Another consideration is how often items not in your goal best interest find their way onto your plate. For those sensitive to gain, it can make a difference. A food diary would be the best way to get a closer look at what is going on. Usually this quickly finds what may be slowing you down. Keep one for 5 days, write everything down, and then look at it objectively.

I know some people who, because of their health, have to eat very strictly to specific guidelines. For example, Phylis – you see her story here on the Plant-based blog: http://www.lanimuelrath.com/inflammation/overcoming-rheumatoid-arthritis-with-diet-phyllis-heaphys-story/ Phyllis can only eat one fruit a day, very simple meals of wholegrains, veggies and beans. She has to or her RA flares up again. She is an amazing example of doing what needs to be done to enjoy the benefits and results.

Play around with order of meals and tune into your own satiety. Sometimes ‘just right’ is hit when you find comfortable full and then 20 minutes later, you’re glad you didn’t take any more bites.

Hear ya,
Lani

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Tandi February 16, 2012 at 10:21 am

I have been vegan for 7 years but I have battled food addiction and weight fluctuation for a long time! When having green smoothies in the mornings I end up craving sugar so bad in the evening I end up binging on desserts! I kept avoiding brown rice, potatoes and whole grain pastas and breads because it was hard to shake Dr. Furhman’s ideas that they are ‘low nutrient’ foods and because they are foods you are supposed to avoid with PCOS. Suffering with PCOS and strongly desiring to have another child I have tried to live on fruit, beans and vegetables but I inevitably fail and end up binging on sugar which I know is not healthy. I am wondering if this insatiable sugar addiction is due to my diet being too low in healthy whole grains and starches. When I add oatmeal, brown rice, lentils and potatoes to my diet I do lose weight easily because the cravings go away but I keep going back to the green smoothies and salads due to wanting high nutrient density. Thank you so much for this post, it has really helped me realize that I need to stop focusing so much on trying to get in so many vegetables at the expense of all the wonderful starchy foods I love! Thank you, thank you!!

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Lani February 16, 2012 at 2:06 pm

Tandi,

Whew! Sounds like what must feel like quite a chaotic experience for you.

I figure our bodies do everything for a reason. You are craving sweet, and desire for sweet taste is natural to humans. For me, cravings vanished once I started eating enough in the form of wholesome whole food calories from starchy vegetables and grains along with the vegetables. I too tried greens, fruits, and smoothies, and eating mountains of veggies, but I’d always be on the hunt for bread or a potato. It did not help me reach my goal of weight loss and healthy, happy relationship with food eating and my body.

The idea of cramming in more nutrients seems to have an appeal that we don’t question. Can we get what we need from eating normally, chewing our food and according to appetite, like a good animal? Starch is a nutrient to – we have developed the enzyme amylase so that we can digest it, and it proliferated in the human digestive tract 50 – 100,000 years ago ( see http://www.lanimuelrath.com/diet-nutrition/vegetarian/plant-foods-starchy-vegetables-early-humans-and-the-human-diet/) I’m far more concerned with people getting off the harmful foods and upping their intake of whole, unprocessed foods than worrying about how many nutrients they can down in one sitting. It creates a different set of problems, as you note.

Relax, breathe, enjoy what you eat, and come by to tell me about it!

Lani

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Sandra Connell February 16, 2012 at 10:25 am

Lani,
I use to be one of your night time exercise students and I remember how much I was firming up and feeling good about myself but things happened and I could not keep up with your exercise class. No matter how hard I tried.
In 2005 my husband and I moved to Tucson, AZ and things happened. I was diagnosed with Breast Cancer; been cancer free now for six years. Then was diagnosed with Diabetes and now I have heart problems. I have tried to follow your success since I have moved here and was so happy to receive your emails and newsletters. I just have finished reading your success story and I remember what progress I was making when I was under your training. I have to get back on track and get things moving again. I have gained so much weight and I need to get it under control so I can manage my health problems. Thank you for your inspiring story and for the time I spend with your exercise group. You have inspired me to reach for my goal and lose the weight so I can get my diabetes and heart problems under control.
Sandra Connell

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Lani February 16, 2012 at 2:12 pm

Hi Sandra! Yes, I remember our times so well! I think of you and miss that you are away in AZ.

You can start afresh with your next bite and your next step. Is your diabetes Type 2? Read Dr. Neal Barnard’s Reversing Diabetes for a real eye opener. Also, these files from our archives at the McDougall Health and Medical center: http://www.drmcdougall.com/med_hot_diabetes.html.

So glad you are coming by and enthused about making improvement. Seize the inspiration! Read, commit, do the mindset work (Boot Camp Mind is a great series of lessons that will assist).

Thanks for stopping in!

Lani

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Salvatore Liggieri February 16, 2012 at 11:51 am

Lani,

First off, you write well and certainly are knowledgeable about plant foods diet (McDougall). I attended the ten day program in Santa Rosa, California.

Dr McDougall is an inspirational figure who genuinely believes in his programs. I was not thrilled with the food because it was west coast based, predominately Mexican influenced with Cilantro as the main spice.

I’m from NYC and my food bias is east coast Italian. So I had to learn to adapt the McDougall program to my food preferences.

We understand that it’s not an easy conversion with the many pitfalls that you so descriptively write about. The success rate of people has to be low in changing. Of the three people that went with me to the ten day program, two completely failed so they are back to the SAD and remain obese. The third person has made some changes but is not fully compliant. I’m the only one who follows the program but that’s because I have been doing it for over thirty years.

I like so many others am anxiously waiting for McDougall’s new book to be released: The Starch Solution.”

sligg@hotmail.com

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Lani February 16, 2012 at 2:44 pm

Thanks Salvatore.

You should make an east coast Italian McD cookbook!

I’m venturing that success rate with dietary compliance for just about any plan is challenging. If 4 of you went to the 10-day program, and one is still compliant, and one is semi, then you’ve got a 25% plus compliance rate with your team – not too shabby!

Won’t it be great to have the new book? I am eager too!

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Veronica February 16, 2012 at 1:41 pm

Thank you Lani and Tandi, great suggestions. I will be sure to try those tips. I’m sure I need to slow down and savor the food more, I’m always on the go so I tend to eat in a hurry. I will keep a food diary too, hopefully that will uncover some “hidden” problems (: Appreciate the blog, thanks so much for the great advice.

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Lani February 16, 2012 at 2:51 pm

Great Veronica, please let me know how it goes and what you discover!

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Andrea February 17, 2012 at 10:55 am

Hi Lani — thanks so much for posting this! I’d been on the verge of asking you if you’d be willing to write up a sort of “nutrition narrative” to accompany your 10-year photo journey, and this pre-emptively answers all my questions but one. Here’s what I’m still wondering: For a while a few years ago, you were involved with intermittent fasting. What were the benefits of and problems with that approach, and why don’t you advocate it now?

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Lani February 17, 2012 at 10:29 pm

Hi Andi. I’m so glad to read your response, and actually you inspire me to think about this in a new light – the photo history. Until you mentioned it, I hadn’t really thought of connecting the two so specifically. You are so clever! I’m glad this has pre-emptively answered youour questions – really, all but one? Pointing out any more details you’d like will only improve the narrative.

As for the fasting, the benefits were that it did help with weight management, and I enjoyed the fast days for the most part. I actually did the intermittent fasts weekly, often twice a week, for a year. But i started to tire of it and once I got it together with eating as I do now and as I describe in my article, I was getting more benefits with health, energy, and weight management than with the IM. And it is a lot more fun to eat! The weekly fasts that I was doing were before I gave up dairy and oils.

I wouldn’t say that I ‘don’t advocate it’ now. It might be just the ticket for anyone at some point in time. Intermittent fasting can be a healthy practice. I’m just not currently practicing it. See the difference?

How are you? How are your studies going?

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Andrea February 18, 2012 at 11:10 pm

Hey, thanks, Lani. I do see the difference, and that makes perfect sense.

And as for more details: well, I’ve known you for long enough — and heard enough of your stories over the last 4-5 years — to have at least a vague idea of what kinds of activity accompanied which of your timeline pictures. But of course other people haven’t, and it would be interesting to read about it in more detail, along with the nutrition.

All’s well here. Studies, since you asked, are invigorating, occasionally infuriating or overwhelming, and fun, in quick alternation. :) That’s probably a pretty fair description of everything else going on since I last talked to you, too.

And on another subject entirely: I’d like to add another vote for Salvatore’s “east coast Italian” McDougall-ish cookbook. What a great idea!

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Salvatore Liggieri February 28, 2012 at 4:03 pm

Lani,

I keep reading your posts. There should be no doubt: You are a definite McDougaller, Your 38 years of experience should be the basis for you to be titled “Guru.”

I will be one of your disciples.

sligg

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Lani February 28, 2012 at 4:54 pm

Hey sligg, high praise and I’m honored! Thanks for your kind words and for coming by to say hi. I appreciate!

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Em April 1, 2012 at 12:05 pm

SUCH a great story!! I’ve been struggling with the after-effects of a prolactinoma (benign pituitary tumor), and the physical and emotional aspects of the resulting recurrent miscarriages/infertility. I was told that I would likely NOT be able to take the weight off ever again, and that i would most likely end up insulin resistant, at the least. The docs all said to try to go low-carb, and to add meat back into my diet (after 16 years of vegetarianism! NOT happening!). Tried to do low-carb veg…good luck there!! I was STARVING, and you know what happened there. Finally found the McDougall plan about a year ago, and though I’ve had some trouble maintaining (again, emotional eating won out, many times), I have lost 15 of the extra 30 I packed on as a result of the tumor. I’m back full-bore now, and you have just given me the added encouragement I needed. THANK YOU SO MUCH! I know now that I can at least win the weight battle. Take THAT, doctors…

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Lani April 1, 2012 at 3:26 pm

Em, thank you so much for sharing your story and congrats on the 15 lbs. It is very moving and it sounds like you have been through quite a dramatic experience. Honestly, this day and age for doctors to recommend eating meat and other animal products is such a throw-back to times when they didn’t know better. I’ll give them the wiggle room of lack of information, but truly, this has become a cornerstone to health. Good for you for sticking to your resolve about this one.

I am glad that you find my article helpful, it’s my dream for this to be of help to others as it has been to you. Cutting the satiety factor of the more calorie dense starchies backfires big time. You may find that you need to nudge them up a bit more which may play a surprising role in the ‘emotional’ eating. And you can keep good starchies handy to use at such times and minimize the damage – it’s true! It won’t set you back like richer fare. Also, have you read my series on Willpower? As the day goes on, stress hammers at our pre-frontal cortex making us more vulnerable to seeking the comfort of stimulating foods. Even 5 minutes of activity and a few rounds of deep breathing can offset the stress and help you enormously. You’ll find the series here: http://www.lanimuelrath.com/stress-management/5-minute-anti-anxiety-paint-and-willpower-workout-how-to-meditate-in-5-simple-steps/

Thanks again for your note. Did we meet at McDougall?

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Em April 10, 2012 at 6:00 am

Nope, never been to a McDougall….I’d love to, at some point, though! Thanks for the link, and for the validation. :) I’m loving this blog!!

Em

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Lani April 10, 2012 at 1:01 pm

Thanks Em!

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beep May 4, 2012 at 2:11 pm

hi!

What is ur opinion on the 80-10-10 diet by dr douglas graham? It is essentially the same as mcdougall, except the starch is replaced by fruit and it is all raw (eat fruit during the day, veg at night, small amounts of nuts/seeds/avos if desired). It is a highly healing diet and great for athletes and those wishing to recover naturally from all sorts of health/weight ills.

Thanks!

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Lani May 4, 2012 at 2:32 pm

I’m not uber-familiar with Graham’s dietary plan, though a raw food diet can have one chewing all day long. There are some long lived populations that consume a near 80 – 10 – 10 diet, though cooked starch place the predominant calorie role. Replacing the starches of the McDougall approach with raw fruit all day is a huge difference, so I don’t think it is accurate to say it is ‘essentially the same’.

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beep May 5, 2012 at 6:43 am

What i meant by that was in regards to the ratios. Fruits are our species-specific diet, not cooked starches, which are hard to digest, gluey, and cant be eaten in their natural state. Why r we the only animals that cooks, combines, and flavors food? No other animal does that, so why should we?

Eating fruits does not require “chewing all day”. =P. I can finish a meal of fruit in the same time as someone eating cooked, yet i digest it much faster and easier

Cooking produces an inflammatory and immune response in the body, whereas raw doesn’t

I like ur blog and enjoy learning about ur journey to health. Ur transformation is very inspiring and amazing! So, im interested in ur thoughts on the different types of vegan diets…who knew there were so many ways to eat cruelty-free and healthfully? =)

Check out 80-10-10 if u can…id love ur opinion on it. I know many people who have completely healed chronic issues from that woe (myself included). If anything, i truly believe in the theory that we need no more than 10% fat/pro, and that animal-free is the way to be!

Hugs! And thanks for being an advocate to the vegan diet!

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Lani May 5, 2012 at 10:39 am

I think if you’ve found a variation of a vegan diet that works for you, then how sweet is that? Many people cannot tolerate high amounts of fruit due to triglycerides or other issues, another consideration.
This article about starch and humans that might interest you:
http://www.lanimuelrath.com/diet-nutrition/vegetarian/plant-foods-starchy-vegetables-early-humans-and-the-human-diet/

According to biological anthropology, there was a proliferation of copies of amylase in humans in the last 100,000 years. The amylase gene (our starch digestion connection) went from the pancrase to the mouth 80,000 years ago, greatly advancing our ability to digest starches of all kinds. The evolutionary advantage was that we could take more highly concentrated calories as found in tubers and take them with us, in contrast to the far more perishable fruits of the tropics. It advanced our abilities as omnivores.

I’m more interested in what creates health, compassion, and good environmental practices than what our ancestors may have done millions of years ago, so these advances interest me. A fruit only diet can be deficient in protein, though that is not what you are describing.

Another good resource on the starch and cooked food story is Catching Fire, which I have just started and had to lay aside with the book deadlines.

thanks so much for your positive comments on my site and work, I aim to be a positive force and advocate for healthy vegan living and I appreciate!

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beep May 5, 2012 at 1:42 pm

Thanks for the link…very interesting! It saddens me how humans are the only animals that dont know what in the world we are supposed to eat as our natural diet—one that we are made to eat and that produces optimum health. How have we grown so far from our instincts? There’s the paleo group on one side, the fruitarians on another, as well as vegans, starch-promoters, high fat, raw, cooked…etc….its insane and enough to leave one feel almost paralyzed when it comes to knowing how to be healthy

The reason why people cant tolerate fruit is because their body has a lot of healing to do, mostly stemming from lymph congestion and poorly filtering kidneys. But, a fruit diet is exactly what they need in order to heal their bodies, as fruit contains the highest energetics for healing and cleansing. Onced cleansed, then the body will tolerate fruits better and the person can be more lenient with their food, as long as they keep it sensible

What is ur opinion on why we are the only animals who cook and that cooking can produce inflammatory and immune responses, in addition to degrading enzymes, proteins, vit/min and other nutrients, as well as being an added burden on digestion?

Also, what is ur thought on food combining principles (not mixing fruit with other foods, not mixing pro+fat, pro+starch, etc)?

Thanks for the info and great work u do! =)

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Lani May 7, 2012 at 6:40 am

If you get a chance, check out Dr. McDougall’s new book coming out this month, The Starch Solution. “All large populations of trim, healthy people, throughout verifiable human history, have obtained the bulk of their calories from starch. Examples of once thriving people include Japanese, Chinese, and other Asians eating sweet potatoes, buckwheat, and/or rice; Incas in South America eating potatoes; Mayans and Aztecs in Central America eating corn; and Egyptians in the Middle East eating wheat.

My book, The Starch Solution, will serve as a manifesto to help reverse current health trends. Worldwide, people are fat and sick because of their dependency on meat, dairy, eggs, and oils for calories. The all-too-real changes we are presently experiencing in our climate are being fueled in large part by pollution from the livestock industry. An amazingly simple win-win opportunity stares us in the face: a global switch to a starch-based diet will solve the diseases of over-nutrition and put a big dent in global warming with one U-turn.”

I know of no studies of large population humans and an 80% fruit diet and implications over time. And as far as the wide arrange of arguments for seemingly opositional food plans, one thing many seem to have in common is eliminating the processed foods that are such a bane on our public health. And even if there are strong opinions and mini-studies of results from certain dietary plans, it is larger studies over the span of time that catch the attention more.

As for food combining, some people do do well with paying attention according to their specific sensitivities, but the science doesn’t stand up to making it a – well, science. Listen to your body and if trufulas don’t combine well with oompafruit, then keep them separate, yes?

It sounds like you’ve found a way of eating that is supporting you and the environment and respects other sentient beings, which are on my checklist!

Lani

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beep May 10, 2012 at 6:20 am

Well, i havent found a diet that supports me and all my researching, trials, and errors only leave me frustrated and still dealing with the intense pains and limitations of fibromyalgia, colitis,, chronic fatigue, inability to put on wt and muscle, endocrine issues, and a whole host of other problems. There is so much conflicting info out there, even amoung the lowwfat vegan groups. All i know is that no matter what i eat and how much i try to heal my body, it only gets worse. Ive tried everything (allopathic to alternative), and i havent found a solution

Im doing the fruitarian thing right now (and have been for 6m) bc its supposed to be the most healing and detoxifying. Starches supposedly contribute to dysbiosis and gut irritation, inflammation, and acidosis, as well as supposedly not being our natural diet, as well as not being healthy bc they must be cooked. But, mcdougall and ornish and others say otherwise, thus my paralysis on what to eat

I know that meat is bad, as are all animal products. But, i cant gain muscle without protein….i was at my best wt when i was doing a “bodybuilding” diet, as wt lifting was my passion.

Even as a vegan before, i relied heavily on fake meats, soy, and other such stuff…not healthy

So, im stuck and sick of being sick

What is ur opinion on Food for Life Brown Rice Tortillas? Are these healthy, or too processed? What processed foods do u eat (hummus? Soups? Breads?)? Whats ur opinion on gluten?

Do u ever do pro powders like sun warrior? How do u use these if u do?

Lastly, what r ur thoughts on algaes like spirulina, and seaweeds like nori and kelp? Some feel these r very beneficial and others think of them as waste absorbers for the ocean

Thanks for ur unbiased info!

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Lani May 10, 2012 at 8:59 am

Beep, sorry to hear of your challenges, it seems working with a plat-based dietician might be the best advice I could offer. I don’t use protein powders or algae and spirulina, though Jeff Novick has done some research on them and it might interest you, here posted in his facebook notes:

https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150676495226819

Lani

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